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From: [e-mail] (John Econopouly)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ketamine trip
Message-ID: <2cr6nt$[e-mail]>
Date: 22 Nov 93 20:17:01 GMT

I've heard some talk of Ketamine on this group, and thought a first-person
account might interest some of you.

My drug history: I'm a very experienced pot smoker, have drunk alot of alocohol, tripped on LSD about 10 times, and tried some MDA, mushrooms, coke, opiates, X,
amphetamines.  I'm coming off a 5-month hiatus wherein I've avoided drugs.

I tried to get some info from the net gurus as to what a correct dosage of
Ketamine would be, but never got a response.  So I guesstimated, and took
4 mL of Ketaset (equal to 400mg Ketamine HCl).  I had an empty stomach.  I
took it orally, pouring it down my throat with a spoon -
I had heard that it tasted awful, which it did, so I avoided my tongue,
and chased it down with an immediate mouthful of orange.  No problem.
In retrospect, this was a good dose for me, I had a great trip.  When I toom it
it was 7pm.

I was surprised, and a bit scared, when I got the first whoosh of effect
already 15 mins later, at 7:15, and 5 mins after that I was totally gone.  This
was scary because I had been assuming that like LSD or X or Mushrooms or
orally ingested cannabis there would be a gradual increase of the effect
over the first couple hours, and I basically wouldn't feel anything for the
first 45 minutes; so I was worried that I had taken way too much, since I
was feeling so much so soon.  What I was feeling at this point: very
disoriented, normal reality had just disappeared, physically dizzy and
unable to walk without bumping against walls, a bit of paranoia that I was
going to die because I had taken way too much (this never got out of hand),
mixed with periodic flashes wherein my surroundings would hang motionless
and appear really beautiful and I felt totally painless.  I went out on
the balcony in a t-shirt (very cold yesterday) and the cold felt very distant.
I was a bit irked at this point that my housemates weren't looking out for
me more closely, since although I wasn't about to do it, I felt that jumping
off the balcony wasn't that bad!  (In all fairness to them, they really
didn't know it was affecting me yet, this was only 15 mins after I took it).
And sounds were incredibly amplified - I felt like I was in a machine shop
or factory.  This is what clued in my housemates, when I came in and asked
if they too could hear "that noise", or was it just my buzz.  I was
pretty confused about what was real.  I was too dizzy to stand up, I crashed
out on the living room cushions.  I started to space on the cieling, which was
flowing.  I was cold.  I cautioned my friends that they should keep a close
eye on me because I might die without them noticing  - I couldn't feel if I
was breathing (they were watching me the whole time).  I could hear them talking
but couldn't respond.  I had asked for the newest William Burroughs cd to be put
on, but it was weirding me out, so I asked for some more normal dance music.
Anyway, this period lasted for about an hour, not that pleasant, but probably
not as unpleasant as it sounds, it was interesting to me even at the time.

I started to feel much more in control, I started to feel physically really warm,
I could talk but it was much nicer to just kind of curl up and feel cozy.  I was
basically under the impression that the trip was over already, 1 hour later, I
felt my thoughts very settled and normal.  I decided to go lie in bed under
my comforter -- I was still extremely dizzy when I stood up.  It was here that
the real trip started for me.  The next 2-3 hours were totally amazing.  I just
lay completely motionless and very warm under my comforter.  My thoughts were
very clear, and I could basically guide my trip in whatever direction I wanted.
Most of the time I felt like a pure light that could flow like lava and make
sweet guitar-distortion sounds, I was burning very bright.  I could just "be"
in this state, it felt beautiful.  Other times I would have conscious thoughts,
I would note that I felt godlike, I would love myself, it was great.  When I'd
think of my friends I'd feel very warm, but the couple times I tried explaining
to them how I was feeling (I had to get up and piss quite a few times, was still
dizzy), I felt the words totally inadequate, and I'd lose the feeling.  I
realized that it was best to save the feelings till later, and just enjoy it
myself while it lasted.  Unlike LSD/mushrooms, there was none of the physical
on-edge feelings, my body felt very warm/snug/relaxed, and I could completely
ignore it, I felt bodyless.  And the trip was less idea-based and more
feeling-based, sort of like X (except I've never done X by myself, always w/ a
friend).

This phase ended at around 11, and things started to get much less trippy.
I was in a really excellent mood, but I still felt really dizzy when I stood
up, so I had to lie down continuously.  We went to some friends' party nearby,
I wanted to do some socializing (did it all while lying on the floor).  Walking
around, crossing the street, climbing stairs were very difficult.  Got
progressively more burnt out, felt weaker, never lost the dizzy sensation,
they took me home and I went to sleep at 1:30.  Woke up today at 10, and feel
good.  Psychologically, I'd say I feel great, I feel alot of warmth towards
everyone around me, and toward myself, a real pleasant afterglow and fondness.
However, I still feel a slight dizziness.  On the whole,
I feel alot less drained than after a good acid trip, again sort of like an X
"day after" psychologically, but with the mild dizziness.

j

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From: Matt Thomas <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: KILLER TRIP!  Special K (Ketamine) *READ THIS*
Date: Thu, 19 May 94 09:49:19 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

   The following is a first-hand account of the effects of 'Ketamine
Hydrochloride'.  The drug was obtained in liquid injectable form of
100 mg/ml.  It's used for pre-surgical anesthesia.  The street name
for the drug in crystaline form is 'Special K'.  Dosage is a line
about 1" in length and as wide as a paper match, snorted.  Full onset
of drug is in 5-10 minutes.  Total trip: 20-30 minutes with residual
effects lasting up to 1 hour.
   The first effects are a buzzing sound in the ear, increasing in
volume over a period of 2 minutes.  Then a drunken feeling and a quick
numbing of the body.  Shortness of breath occurs and is accompanied by
a slight fear of not being able to catch your breath.  This subsides
and a deep numbing of the body occurs.  A slight increase in heart
rate was also felt.  A few more minutes pass and a giddy, drunken
stupor overwhelms the mind.  Tunnel vision and a feeling of 'being deep
inside your own body' occurs.  Slight visual hallucinations (trails)
are common after 10 minutes.  Major effect is the numbness and drunken
feeling.  No noticeable after-effects or tolerance build-up.  All in
all, a very intersting trip indeed!
   Ok, enough stuffy talk.  I liked it =)  The only part I didn't care
for is the fear of not being able to catch your breath.  It goes away
pretty quick.  I figure it's because of the numbing sensation.  I
heated the liquid ketamine in a spoon over low heat on the stove.  It
quickly turns into powder.  Chop it up finely with a razor blade.  It
takes effect much quicker after the first dose.  I especially liked the
halluciantions!  Complete recovery in around half an hour.  I don't
recomend drinking while on this, or mixing with other drugs.  I
wouldn't drive either.  Me and two friends got fried on this and drove
to get some cigs.  We took a turn too fast and did a 180 and ran into
the hill next to the road.
   You can tell if it's good if it tastes kinda salty and like powdered
aspirin (really bad taste).  Burns for a few seconds when snorted too.
It's a white powder in pure form, could be cut with anything but I had
the 100% pure shit!
   If you've ever used 'Special K' and got similar or maybe completely
different effects, then either e-mail me or reply this message with your
'Special K' trip.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: [e-mail] (Peter McDermott)
Subject: Re: KILLER TRIP!  Special K (Ketamine) *READ THIS*
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 18:00:19 GMT


Account of the intravenous injection of Ketamine:

Dosage was uncertain. The Ketamine came as tablets that were being
passed off as Ecstasy. Half a tablet was used. It dissolved completely,
leaving no residue.

Before the syringe was removed from the vein, reality as we normally
experience it had crumbled into a different form. It was as though the
world broke up, revealing another dimension. The subject was there, and
not there at the same time - there was no apparent boundary between the
subject and object - the world and I became one.

I remained rooted at the spot for what seemed like an eternity. When
I *did* try to move (not for some time - the experience was too intense to
contemplate moving) it seemed as though the whole of my body was a
mechanical entity, connected by hydraulics, pulleys and gear systems.

Just moving an arm seemed to transform the whole universe. As the drug began
to wear off, the subject felt like some sort of android - like Robocop.
The K wore off in a kind of reverse rush. As the universe initially
disintegrated when the drug was injected, so a reverse re-integration
occurred as the drug wore off. The whole experience lasted some 20 - 30
minutes.

Although it was certainly an extreme experience, it was fundamentally
unsatisfying. No real insight into the world, or even the experience were
gained, and there was insufficient euphoria to make the experience seem
worth repeating for pleasure. Interesting, but of little lasting value.

--peter

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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu,  6 Oct 1994 17:51:23 UTC
Subject: Re: Ketamine

[quoted text deleted -cak]

Ketamine was a pretty unique experience.  Though it had a PCP like feel
to it, I never have entered such a *completely* altered state on PCP.
It was certainly nothing like codeine, but I've never done huge amounts
of codeine.

About 5 minutes after taking an intramuscular injection of about 75 cc
( or was it .75?),  I entered a state that was similar to being in a
lucid dream.  Although I was still conscious of my surroundings, I had
no control over my body (not that it mattered).  The experience was visual
in the sense that I could "see" my thoughts.  Except that the "seeing"
was at a more fundamental level than the 2-3 dimensional imagery normally
associated with eyesight.  I could still hear the ambient music in the
room, though it seemed to be in another world.

At one point I decided I wanted to say something.  The process of uttering
the word "cool" involved a seemingly involved process of building up,
through different layers of conscious activity, the mental (and I suppose
physical) steps required for such an effort.  I "watched" as the
fundamental sparks of my mind came together and bubbled up to a surface
level of consciousness where the simple act was finally executed.  It was
as though I was experiencing the fundamental workings of my mind from both
a participant and observer viewpoint.  I think the anesthetic qualities
of the drug kept the mental noise level way down, and perhaps slowed
all my thought processes down also, making this possible.  At no time
did I experience any anxiety or negative feelings.  Mostly fascination.
No aliens either, but I can see how one could mistaken the redirected
experience of one's own thoughts as a visit from something external.
I've never met aliens on DMT either, so YMMV. :)

This altered state was somewhat similar to nodding out on Heroin, which
was also a bit like lucid dreaming, but different than Ketamine in that
it is clouded by feelings of overwhelming sensuality/pleasure.  The
Ketamine experience was "cleaner" in that my mind seemed freer to explore
itself and not as weighted down by feeling too good.

I guess I should mention that I was in the afterglow of some very pure
MDMA (and possible a little lsd, I can't quite remember) when I did this,
so my experience cannot be considered to be a controlled experiment.

BTW, doing a small amount of K, where you maintain motor control, is
not much more astounding than PCP, or I suppose codeine, etc.  It is
the full incapacitating dose that is truly amazing.  But this is not
something you want to do on a regular basis.  In fact, though I may
be wrong on this, I would consider such an adventure to be a high risk
one.  Please be careful.
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From: [e-mail] (U.S. 9)
Date: Thu,  6 Oct 1994 16:46:19 UTC
Subject: KETAMINE: trip elaborated

So I've done this so many times I guess it is my
civic duty to write about it.

BTW, most of the people writing in about Ket who
haven't used it have no idea what they are talking
about.

It can be injected IV, IM, drunk, or snorted.
I recommend IM or drinking.  Snorting is quite
a different and more managable thing, but I think
it is a waste of Ket.  IM means needles, and....

well, so its 11:00pm on a Wednesday night- what
better time to Ket, eh?  I smoked and did a
few whippits after two hours of yoga, and played
some hand drums for a while.  Then B suggested
Ketting.  We mixed up a somewhat unknown quantity,
but when all is said and done I think I did
350-400 mg and she about 25 less.

We stretched out the futon couch in front of
my floor standing Philips and lit some glow candles
and a couple of colored tea lights.  We were a little
frantic because we were making preparations after
drinking the ket.  We had some nice apple bong hits
and then things starting getting tough, because
I was still running around but stuff was beginning
to get real weird.  I managed to get Peter Gabriels
Passion (the quintessential ketting disc) in and then
collapsed on the futon.

B held my hand and we started our roller coaster out.
There were two tye dye tapestries and these were real
cool.  One of them had a spiral and I found myself
getting sucked into the vortex.  B said the spiral
became translucent and behind it were bunches and
bunches of bubbles and she was a baby bouncing
around in it with no gravity.

Bubbles, bouncing babies and bubbles, she kept saying.

I can't feel my body anymore except this overriding
general fuzziness.  The lines on the cieling become
a tunnel and I am flying down it faster than sound
approaching the speed of light.....

Oh no, the tunnel takes a big dive downwards!  I am facing
straight down this big tunnel and I am falling.  B
squeezes my hand.  WOW!  Then the room does a somersault
and I with it.  (It mimicked this fair ride where the
cars flip over and are also rotating on an oval chain
device with other cars).  And this ride is really moving.
I'm scared like hell because this is a thrill ride and the
car is the dimensions of existence now.

I ask B for help.  She says she loves me and squeezes my
hand and I can see the tapestry again and I settle down.
That was fucking great I tell her.  We are omming alot
or something like it.  The music changes and our
bodies morph with it.  Pete is nuts.

Now there are rules.  I can see them all.  I am outside
my room looking down at us and I know all the rules.
There is so much going on outside of us.  Other people,
other rules, other things, that we are not allowed to
see in the day to day.  More knowledge.  Who is next
to me.  What is next to me.  I know it is something
important.  I say who is there.

B says it is her.  I say who is you.  She says me as
in B and U.  I smile because I know that means something
but I don't know what but I know the rules.  I change
a few things about my day to day thoughts and cement
them for later.  My hand feels strange.  What is this
hand and what has it got in it.  Another hand, but neither
is hand.  I am a universal consciousness.  This hand is
part of the wood here and the music and the... fuck

My astral body 3D gets sucked into a 2D plane.  This
always happens and it hurts and feels so good at the same
time.  A candle in the room brightens and the whole Ket
room changes.  Its redder now.  I see the tapestry way
in the distance.  The entire world is our world.

I look down into a church.  We are lofted in the church
and there is a wedding.  Someone is getting married.

What is a wedding?

B answers but I can't understand her words.

Who is getting married.  It is a nice church so I go
down to the ceremony and meet a couple of people and
eat some cake.  B is saying something.  I tuck away
the church.

She is asking who is this?

I say You mean the music?

She says is it music?  And I said yes, its crazy Peter
Gabriel.

And she says ah, its Peter Gabriel, is that what it
is.

I don't know what Peter Gabriel is but I know that is what
is around us.  We are sitting in a Ket room just hanging
out.  Its really realxed here, there are some other people
here, and everyone is calm and relaxed.  The walls glow purple
and the walls are blue lush carpet or red.  We are hanging.
I am gone.

Holy shit!  B repeats after me.  Its an hour later.  I can
see the tapestry again, its about a mile down the tunnel.
I know if I can't get to the tapestry I will know where
I am again.

B says some things and I can tell she is still farther out
than I am because she took a relatively larger dose.

I have to pee.  Bad news.  Because if you think about it
it will burn.  I tell B.  Then I make myself liquid and
ooze out of the futon and onto the stairway.  Wow I am
standing at the bottom of the stairs.  How did I get here.
There is a light in the bathroom.  I stagger and fall against
the wall and piss for an eternity.  Then I go on all fours
back up the stairs.  Change the music- MC 900 Foot Jesus.
Not the right choice really, a little to uppity.  So we
change it to Philip Glass' Mishima which is real neat.

B and I keep trying to hug but we collapse and giggle.  We
try to hold hands but our hands just open up and we fall
back.  She keeps delivering exasperated expressions.

Now I am conscious enough to master my hallucinations.
I can make anything out of anything around me the way
I want it.  Mishima plays on and I transport myself to
Japan and live there in his world.  Glass is very descriptive
in his music. I find myself describing Mishima's Thirst
for Love and Confessions of a Mask to B and talking alot.
By talking about it I am living in it.

But also by talking I was failing to adequately slot my
earlier experiences into memory.  Thus, I have forgotten
much.  We keep leaving this world.  But I know I need to
blow out the glow candles or they will burn through their
sides.  So eventually we get up and move to the waterbed
and blow out two candles.  Our dog is waiting for us and
is nice to pet him.  We feel really contented.  We will
sleep well, me and B and our dog.  And we do.

Except we both have to get up today.  I feel groggy but
okay.  I'm still light and airy but I have no headache
or stomachache which is good.

We check in with eachother.  It was a good trip.

We ask our dog.  He says it was cool.

>:-)
U.S. 9
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From: [e-mail] (John Elias Darrow)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: effects of Ketamine?...
Date: 9 Nov 1994 02:30:44 GMT
Message-ID: <39pc8k$[e-mail]>

An interesting experience has prompted me to seek out
information from those who may know more about it than I.

First some background...
About five years ago I was in an automobile accident that
resulted in a stroke, which altered brain function in my
right occipital lobe, who knows where else, physically
manifesting itself as numbness on my left side, a not
very coordinated left arm (due to spontaneous tremors)
and a visual blind spot covering most of the upper left
hemisphere of my sight.

In the last year or so, I have begun trying recreational
drugs... in many different venues...
One relevant thing is that when I do dextromethorphan
(robitussin) my blind spot becomes very active, filled
with a sort of hallucination, ghostly shapes and figures
swirling or just staying still for hours or days at a
time after I robo.  Well past the noticible effects of
the robo-trip, these images usually last 5 days to a week
in this nether-world of my sight.  I've done DM probably
20-30 times and it's a fairly consistent reaction.
I also noticed the same sort'f hallucinations years
ago right after the stroke when I was prescribed
propranolol in an attempt to calm the tremors in my arm.
Anyway... that's all stayed the same until just this
weekend, when I was out raving, which is something I do
very regularly (every week), but this week I was sold
something other than e.  From the effects of the drug,
I'm guessing that it was Ketamine, although I've never
done ketamine before and don't know anyone who has to
compare the effects to.  It took like two hours to set
in, and then became very robo-like, sort'f numb, hard to
walk, pretty euphoric, extremely dilated pupils, and it
lasted at least 24 hours.
oh well... an interesting experience, but last night as
I spent the night studying my differential equations,
feeling very clear headed from the drug, now about 48
hours past the time I took it, but still sort'f noticing
the state of consciousness effects, and very suddenly
there were very strong flashes and activity in my blind
spot.  At once I noticed that things were very different.
For one, I could see color through the blind spot,
something I haven't seen there for over five years.  The
other thing was that I could detect movement in that
visual area.  All in all, not as clear or straight
forward as color or movement in the opposite side, but a
huge change, from nothing to something.  The usual
robo-hallucinations also kicked in, superimposed over the
background new sight.  I hadn't really noticed these
hallucinations in the 48 hours prior to this moment...
So... my blind spot is now about a third the size that it
was yesterday, and I have a nice new portion of sight
that's been missing for a while, and the hallucinogenic
shapes are still there, although I suspect that they will
fade over the next week as they do after taking DM.  I'm
guessing that the new sight will not fade, which I'm
pretty darned happy about.  I can't tell if my arm has
changed... not as far as I can tell.

So I guess my question is, does anyone know anything
about Ketamine, it's similarities to DM, what it actually
does to your brain, and if anyone else has any similar
stories.  Or, if you think this may not be ketamine, tell
me anything you have to say... as you may imagine, I'm
fascinated by all of this.

thanks...
-john.

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From: [e-mail] (abarnett)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Obtaining Ketamine
Date: 25 Nov 1994 21:40:49 GMT
Message-ID: <3b5ll1$[e-mail]>

    So here's the counterpoint - I've done Ketamine several times and
think it's *great*, best drug I've ever tried.  I do know some people who
have had miserable times with it, and it does make a lot of people puke,
although I never have.  It is an intense disassociative, meaning that
while you are tripping you won't have much of a clue about what's going
on around you - the trip is mostly in your own head.  Your body becomes
numb, like a shot of novocaine all over.  One friend of mine who took it
thought he had died, but he wasn't frightened or upset by this at all,
which should give you some indication of just how weird things can get.
These experiences were all achieved by injecting Ketamine into muscle
tissue.  I have also tried crystalizing and snorting it, which was not
that great - it just made me feel really dopey and out of it, plus I
looked so strung out that people were staring at me on the street.  The
two ways to get Ketamine are 1) as was previously suggested, filching it
from a vet's office (which would be illegal and is not recommended),  or
from anyplace that does surgery on cats such as a shelter (but don't
steal!  very bad.  Don't do drugs either.)  or 2) Ketamine is an OTC drug
in Mexico, available from any veterinary pharmaceutical supply (not as
hard to find as you might think).  However, the Ketamine sold in Mexico
is only half the strength of pharmaceutical K available to vets, so do at
least 100 cc's for a good trip - U.S. Ketamine recommended dosage for fun
is 50-100 cc's.  I would not recommend trying to mainline Ketamine - it
does not improve the trip and is more dangerous.  On a final note,
Ketamine is very safe except for obvious things (I would hope) like
needles (DON'T SHARE!) and puking while out of it, being used in
emergency surgery on a regular basis in doses up to 10 times the
recreational dose since the Korean war.  Not a bad idea to have a
straight person around while you're doing it, especially if there are
open flames nearby or anything like that.  Like I said, you'll be very
out of it.  Have fun.

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From: hagbar celine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ketamine is fun
Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:59:13 GMT
Message-ID: <3at101$[e-mail]>

[quoted text deleted -cak]

Once I was interested in Ketamine so I decided to try it. I injected 3
times 60 mg intra muscular.(100 mg/ml in ddH2O, 15 min. between the
different injections). It was a odd feeling. It sort of dissociates you
from your live. I drifted trough worlds of other dimensions from inside
the cosmos towards the outside of the circular thing which is called the
universe.(Sounds strange, but that is what I felt) I also had the feeling
that I have learned a lot of spiritual things. It is perhaps truth, there
was not especially much fun. But I was satisfied and content as I would
be after a long adventure holiday. Preston Landers wrote that he injected
it i.v. perhaps this is the reason for his discomfort. Though I doubt it.
I think it is important that everything is very relaxed. Do not run or
walk around. Do not stress yourself.
Music recommendation:
At first something very calm. (self hypnosis music works good). Then
something fast (good techno). To bring it to en end I played "sound of
whales"- which was fantastic.
A very serious "source" told me that it is interesting to smoke cannabis
with it. But it is heavy and can easy be to much. (Drink some hot milk
with honey to give your body some energy and rest. (it calms you down and
helps you sleep).

Well, when you go on a trip, you have something to tell.

Hagbar

I am sorry for my bad English. I hope it is possible to understand it.

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From: [e-mail] (David Parker)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: ketamine vs. PCP
Date: 1 Mar 1995 12:41:39 GMT
Message-ID: <3j1q23$[e-mail]>

  After reading the above discussion regarding ketamine, I feel obligated
to relate my experience with the anaesthesia,
  In 1970, I had a back operation. I was 24, in excellent health, both
physically and emotionally. I had just completed my first year of law
school. After my  experience with ketamine, I was advised, and agreed, to
take a semester off from school. I was warned that I might experience
flashbacks. I did not.
  I awoke from the anaesthesia to the the most petrifying, unpleasant
experience of my life. I experienced hallucinations that were beyond
description. I, also, experienced severe memory loss ... I was unable to
recognize family and friends. I was, also, very anxious and restless. I
said things that made no sense. According to the attending
anaesthesiologist, I was "insane" for five days. The attending, later,
went to NIH to brief the doctors, there, of my reaction.
  My family and I were later told that my reaction was worse than the
norm, but certainly not atypical. I have always been surprised that this
drug is still available, but I understand it does have positive pediatric
and vet. uses.
  I am of the belief that a mature individual should be able to do with
their body what they want, as long as no one else is injured. As a result
of my experience, though, I would would certainly wonder why anyone would
wish to experiment with ketamine. That is only one persons opinion,
though.

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From: [e-mail] (Joachim Loeblein)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ketamine experience reports
Date: 9 Apr 1995 16:45:59 +0200
Message-ID: <3m8rv7$[e-mail]>

Ketamine Experience Reports

Dosage/Application: Ketamine-HCl, 100mg s.c. (injected under the skin)
---
Soft onset just after 2 minutes. Colors fade, light fades, no sound, no
body-feeling. From the outside I now appear unconscious. After
relaxation, a feeling of falling down, then a fast ride down a helical
shaped passage with razor-sharp edges. A feeling of fear, tension,
expectantcy. Then I entered a room without borders, filled with
'simulations'. I realized that my life and everybody elses was playing
in these simulations, but now I was seeing this from outside. To 'see'
here meant an unlimited, uncentered, holographic view. I couldn't grasp
the details of the different entieties in these simulations because they
were encapsulated. This Realm wasn't made of matter, but of information.
I don't remember what I did there until I felt that I was returning to our
Sphere, aproximatly 30 Minutes after the start.
I realized then that I didn't travel between theses two worlds but
only shifted my attention in a different direction. I always was and
probably always will be in this world I found there, but living
different lives I will enter different 'simulations'.
I floated back with a peaceful and content feeling. I felt that I had
experienced something good, something special. I was slowly entering my
body, like putting on a garment: legs first, then arms, chest, head. At
the same time, my sight and hearing returned as I was shifting my
attention to these senses. Everything felt a bit unreal at first, but
this went away after a while.
Then I talked to a friend who was keeping an eye on me during this
experience. I told him what I remembered, because I knew already that
your memory of it fades quickly, just as with a dream. I was also
telling him how time 'feels' different under the influence. My
perception of time changed to a non-linear form, where events wheren't
linked by cause and effect. Another 30 minutes later I felt sober, still
relaxed and confident.
---
Comments: this experience felt to me as real as anything I know from
this world. Now, 3 Months later this hasn't changed. I consider this
level possibly dangerous for unexperienced users, because of the strong
impact it has on your life.
In my case, experiencing reality as 'just a game' could have easily
driven me into suicide, if I wasn't happy with this life.


Dosage/Application: Ketamine-HCl, 400mg caps. p.o. (in Gelcapsule, eaten)
---
After 40 minutes I felt a very mild high, a distortion of my
body-perception. It was accompanied by an unpleasant, noxious feeling. I
felt poisoned, dizzy and very tired. This lasted 2 Hours, then it slowly
passed.
---
Comments: Very unpleasant and wastefull.


Dosage/Application: Ketamine-HCl, 100mg+DMSO ter. (Applied on the skin
dissolved in DMSO)
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No effect.
---
Comments: Maybe at a higher dose.


Dosage/Application: Ketamine-HCl, 200-300 mg i.n. (snorted up the nose)
---
(Compiled from 5 experiments)
Slow onset after 5 minutes, peaking after another 10 minutes. Stable
plateau for 20-30 minutes. Distorted body-feeling, especially when
moving around. Many aspects of the environment get a special kind of
meaning, reminding of similar feelings when under LSD. The perception of
time is changed in bizarre quality. Contact with other people is ok,
especially when they too are under the influence. 30-60 minutes
afterwards completly sober.
Slightly unpleasant, but not to the point of vomiting. A bit
irritating on the nose
---
Comments: Good for a first evaluation, but still with side-effects.
Never as intense as with an injection, but also not destabelizing the
users personality.

Jochen Loeblein, [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (henerz)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: PCP and ketamine
Date: 2 Jun 1995 12:12:35 GMT
Message-ID: <3qmv7j$[e-mail]>

[quoted text deleted -cak]

My only experience of Ketamine was when I was sold it as E... The first
'E' I was taking actually... it was in Germany, and I spent a number of
hours in what felt like a rubber shell, or a rubber sack, and really
didn't want to deal with anything, least of all the full on techno
playing. It wasn't pleasant, but only coz it wasn't what i was
expecting... can't imagine what it would be like to do for fun(?) but I
personally wouldn't. Full-stop.

Henerz

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From: Abe Cubbage <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: KETAMINE
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:43:52 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have done K about 60 times.  The first 40 or so ranged from pleasant to
ultimate insight and power to do anything.  However, one night I did 15mg
more than I ever had before (115mg having been my previous max.)

On this trip I visited *HELL*.  Where I went was somplace nobody has ever
gone or was supposed to go.  Being an extreme risk taker I have faced
death many times before; it has never frightened me.  But, this went
beyond simple death, dying in this place meant an eternity of torment
that is not comprehensible in a non-K state.  I did not nor do not
believe in an afterlife.  But, that experience was every bit as real as
our "normal" reality.

Here is my problem.  Since that experience all my K trips have sucked.
Nothing transcendental happens anymore.  I just go numb and my mind
wanders a little bit but nothing else happens.  Except this, now I
*always* get up and walk around at the apex of my trip.  So far I have
not been able to stop myself from doing this.

Has anyone experienced anything like this before and sucessfuly delt with it?
Any ideas on how to get me out of this funk?

Religious zealots need not respond.

Thanx

Abe